varminting with silencers?

[Alan in GA]

In Georgia, the regs say 'no hunting with silencers'. The regs also say no weapons limitations for coyotes, or words to that effect. Being and exterminator, I've obtained special permits for such as "killing federal migratory birds out of season' when we killed a few doves in local airplane hangers. Had to jump through a few hoops and the permit was for 24 or 48 hours as I remember. Had to record any leg bands found and return the report.
I'll be finding out what if any permits can be obtained for coyote killing using silencers. I KNOW that a friend who is Fed USDA kills deer on special hunts after a biological study determines how many deer should be taken on a certain parcel of land. He uses a .270 w/silencer. They also do deer kills in airport lands which is all land fenced in anywhere an airport is. ALL deer found are killed in those areas.
Anyway, what permits or regs have you found concerning the use of moderators on firearms?
Yes, I've spent the $200 for the BATF permit. I see they've deposited my check and the permit should be back any day.
I'll report what I find.

[Neil]

Well, here in PA we can use silencers for all of our hunting.

This is what I have been told by our Game Commission:
"In addition to having your federal license (per my first e-mail), it has been strongly recommended by Bureau of Wildlife Protection legal counsel, that you obtain from us a "special use" permit (cost is only $5) due to the fact that this device is not specifically permitted by the Game and Wildlife (nor is it prohibited). Therefore, to avoid any questions by local residents, we recommend that -- should you already have your federal license, which is the first step required -- you obtain this special use permit from us. A copy would be provided to the local WCO, so that he also will be aware of this unique situation."

I mailed my $200 transfer tax check and federal transfer forms for my first silencer a few days ago. As soon as that transfer is approved, I'll be ordering my second. I will get the recommended special use permit, because walking around with a silenced firearm is sure to cause confusion.

My first silencer is the HTG Universal .22 LR silencer rated for occasional use up to .223. This will probably be followed with a SRT Titanium Shadow .30 caliber for use on my 6x45 and 30-30 AI Contender carbines. Also, there is a Ruger 77/44 on my gun rack wanting a fast twist barrel with full length silencer for subsonic 300 grain bullets.

[Samson]

It varies alot with the states , in MS where I deer hunt I can use a silencer but in LA where I live I can't shoot any animlas with a silencer. I' have made a few here lately and have to say that being able to shoot without hearing protection sure is nice , you get the basic effects of a brake with WAY less noise. If you have access to a lathe I highly recomend that you make your own on an ATF form 1 , it only cost your the $200 tax and the materials you use and that beats the hell out of $400 - $900 for a comercial can.

I think that most states will allow the use of silencers for varmints especialy since your buisness has the ability to get premits more readly than the average joe.

I think that my next project will be trying to make a 338-6mmBR to shoot some realy heavy high BC 325gr bullet at sub sonic to shoot through a silencer

[T.D.C.]

How much "noise" is left after the propellent is exhauseted. The sonic noise from the projectile passing through the sound barrier would remain. I am curious of the net effect since I have never witnessed anything other than a .22 LR being surpressed.

[Bruce Herndon]

I shot a silenced Mac 10 on full auto once. It sounded like a very loud air wrench.

[Samson]

Both of my ar's 11.5" and 14.5" sound like a 22 long rifle out of a bolt action , quieter than a 22 stinger out of a bolt action , same of my 308. My 300 win mag is a little louder about like a 22 stinger and has the sound of like when you disconect an air tool from a full pressure line , but this silencer was desgined for the 308 so it lacks the volume to work realy well on the much bigger 300. I would not consider my 300 to be "ear safe" , its loud enough for you to notice a little ring in the ear but WAY less than without the can. None of them are as loud and smacking two 8" long 2x4's together

I have a 16" encore barrel that I put a silencer on from time to time and plink in the back yard , you can hear the hammer drop and the bullet hit the target at 50yds

[Alan in GA]

I've mentioned this before. The Fed agent that uses the .270 Win just puts up with the sonic CRACK of the bullet. He told me that they tried a .300 Whisper on a Contender Carbine but had too many deer run off. When they are on a JOB,,they do NOT want dead deer showing up come daylight on the lawns of mansions off the coast of Georgia, for instance. The .270 just puts most of them down quickly. He said they got 30 deer in one night. It's just a job to him after years of doing it.
I hope do get some coyotes.

[Markbo]

In Texas the use of silencers is not prohibited in the hunting of non-game species. That means all you guys' favorites!

I have had very little exposure to silencers, but what little I have is that they are very effective with subsonic loads and not really very effective with HV loads. It is nothing like the movies. With a CF rifle, it is still quite a loud pop.

[Gabriel]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/gabriel1/100_0304a.jpg

Here in Oregon suppressors are legal for hunting. If I did this right here is a picture of my AAC 1000 for my AR 15. At the bench you hear the sonic crack about like a 22lr, hear the brass bouncing and see the bullet hole appear in the paper. Go to Silencertalk.com and check out the forums. There is a section on building your own. Alan I know you have a lathe, thus the slippery slope. LOL

Gabriel

[Gabriel]

Here is my AR 15, 26" Dougls barrel, Jewell trigger and bolt release extended down to the trigger guard. AAC 1000 suppressor attached. The stock is full of lead. I use it for Sagerats.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/gabriel1/100_0301a.jpg

[coopersrcool]

Whats the point? Any thing going super sonic is going to make a crack. I have had several suppressed guns ..you cant silence anything unles its sub sonic.

[Gabriel]

Cooper, I don't why you have had several and yet are not sure why.

I like the idea of a quiet rifle with a muzzle break. 99% of what we buy we do not need.

Gabriel

[coopersrcool]

I have had several 22 cans. One on an American 180 Class III. Several on ruger auto handguns. Two different cans on a class III Mac 10s. Sure they reduce the muzzle blast and noise, especially on a 22...but on a high power rifle, to me it wasn't worth the Class III tax stamp and cost of suppressor. Just my opinion.

[Gabriel]

Cooper, I see your point to some degree. I hase been to a few MG shoots where a lot of suppressors were shot. Some of them I thought were a waste of money. If your ears ring after shooting then you just have a hunk of metal hanging on the end of the barrel. A friend got off several shots at a coyote this summer with his 16" AR, no ear protection. He said his ears rang for a week. He is now looking at a can.
A side note, a guy I know builds cans. He had a couple of them go to Iraq. Our snipers where getting RPG's fired at their muzzle blasts. No muzzle flash with the can he built, which was basiclly a long float tube with baffles, sticking 8" past the muzzle of an AR 10.

[Markbo]

...and bolt release extended down to the trigger guard....


Can you post a closeup of that?

[Gabriel]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/gabriel1/100_0305a.jpg

This was made by DPMS, I am not sure if they even offer it any more. The last I checked it was only offered with a rifle purchase. There are other ones out there though.

Gabriel