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: 22-243


pigpen
12-17-2006, 08:13 AM
It seems to be a up coming new caliber with a lot of popular views. I am look at it just to play with and maybe get in to some long range shooting. what do some of you thiink about it?
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doc
12-17-2006, 11:01 AM
Randy, I have a 22-243 Middlestat a few years back and wore the barrel out. I rebarreled the rifle to 22-250 so I have dies and brass if you're interested. My barrel was a 1 in 10 twist to handle the heavier bullets. If I was to do it over again, I would go 1 in 12 or 1 in 14. Hard to find varmint bullets in 22 that weigh over 70 grains.
Doc

Bruce Eakins
12-17-2006, 04:28 PM
Justin has one, there are about 5-6 of them around close to you. All these have 8 twists. Mike Bryant at Wheeler, TX built some of them and Mike Luckett at Laverne, OK built some of them. Nearly all the ones (locally) I know of are on Rem 700 actions and most of the guys use 80 grain Sierra bullets and Reloader 22 powder and all of them shoot great. I think Gary Cobb is using the Hornady AMax bullet and not sure what powder. He says his is shooting great too.

eggman
12-17-2006, 08:37 PM
and shot the barrel out just when I got the rifle shooting good. It already had 300 rd. down the tube when I bought it. I was shooting 80 gr, SMK's and RL-22 with a BR-2 primer .I rebarreled it to a 8" tw. 22 Dasher. The only negative things I can say about the 22-243 is it's hard on barrels and it seemed I had to have a different load for every 15 degree temp. change. If you are planning on high volume shooting such as competition or pd shooting go with a 22 Dasher or similar. For varmints like groundhogs and coyotes its great and another plus is you can use Lapua brass (which is a plus for any wildcat). The 22-243 is capable of very good accuracy and if you plan on going with a fast twist there are more 22 cal.heavy bullets being offered every year. Just my 2 cents.

Rodney

DuaneinND
12-17-2006, 11:12 PM
Doc- what brand of dies and how much do you want for them?

Markbo
12-19-2006, 01:11 PM
Well it sounds like a barrel burner... what kind of velocities are you talking about?

DuaneinND
12-21-2006, 01:58 PM
Normal shooting for coyotes the barrel will last around 2000 rounds. If you like to shoot at a high rate of fire and don't clean you can wipe out a barrel in 800 rounds.
The 22/243 is the #1 caliber I build for coyote shooters.

doc
12-22-2006, 09:00 AM
DuaneinND, did you get my personal e-mail on the price of my 22-243 dies? You are absolutely correct on the life of the barrel. I found it to be a barrel eater especially on prairie dog towns where shooting can get fast and ferrious.

DuaneinND
12-24-2006, 03:07 PM
Doc- I have not received an e-mail. Did you send to this address?

dgr@duanesguns.com

pigpen
12-25-2006, 08:28 AM
Randy, I have a 22-243 Middlestat a few years back and wore the barrel out. I rebarreled the rifle to 22-250 so I have dies and brass if you're interested. My barrel was a 1 in 10 twist to handle the heavier bullets. If I was to do it over again, I would go 1 in 12 or 1 in 14. Hard to find varmint bullets in 22 that weigh over 70 grains.
Doc

if you still have the dies and brass let me know what you want for them.
Randy
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Catfish
12-25-2006, 12:44 PM
I just had a .22-6mm built. I`m not sure if it`s any better than the .22-243 or not, but the guy that built my rifle had the dies for it. I have a 1 in 8 twist and it looks like it`s going to shoot around 1/2 moa with 80 gr. Serria bullets. I`ve pushed them alittle over 3,600 fps. but best accuracy so far is at just over 3,500 fps. I built it for a coyote gun and don`t plan on shooting PD`s with it. Rl 25 works well, but I`m hoppeing H-870 does also. I just picked up 10 lbs. of it and I can run ball powder through my Dillon alot better than stick powder. Only blood so far was a crow at 197 yrds.

doc
12-26-2006, 09:39 AM
Randy, e-mail me at drh29@bitterroot.com. I have Bananza benchrest dies. Actually, there is a second seater die too and I don't know how many brass... more than 200 rds. $70 plus postage sound ok to you? Dave

nutria
12-26-2006, 11:36 AM
My barrel was a 1 in 10 twist to handle the heavier bullets. If I was to do it over again, I would go 1 in 12 or 1 in 14. Hard to find varmint bullets in 22 that weigh over 70 grains.
Doc

Doc, now I'm really confused. I have a Cooper .223 and a Rem 700 22-250. The Cooper has a 1 in 14 and the Rem 1 in 12. I ordered some Sierra 65 gr and on the box, they have a warning about using only in 1 in 10 or faster. Can I use them in either of my rifles? I'm new to any .22 bullet over 55 gr....:confused:

Thanks

doc
12-26-2006, 11:14 PM
You may find they won't shoot in either rifle because of the slower twist but you won't know until you try them. I hope you only purchased a 100. The 1 in 10 is a faster twist than the 1 in 12 or 1 in 14. I have a lot of Sierra 69 gr hollow point boat tail match that I can't use.

DuaneinND
12-26-2006, 11:59 PM
Doc- was your 22/243 a Middlested or a 243 necked down to 22 cal.?
Nutria- The only way to tell is to shoot the bullets in your rifle. The 14 twist 223 is really questionable, the 12 twist 22-250 might work the best, but tempurature, altitude, barometric pressure, humidity can all have an effect on the results. In other words results might vary from day to day if you are on the "edge".

doc
12-27-2006, 07:03 AM
Duane, Mine 22-243 was a Middlested and like Randy, I shot the barrel out but I used it on dog towns really heating the barrel up. It was a great shooter. The reason I didn't rechamber for the 22-243 was the lack of heavy varmint bullets. I was shooting the 69 gr Sierra Match on dogs. Match bullets and varmints don't mix that well. Did you get the personal message I sent to you to e-mail me?
You asked what I wanted for the dies & brass. I have one sizing die and two seater dies. They are Banaza benchrest dies. Also I have over 300 brass. $75 for the works plus shipping. My e-mail is drh29@bitterroot.com

nutria
12-27-2006, 08:15 AM
Doc and Duane, thanks for the reply. I only purchased 100 and will probably not try them.

Charlie-NY
12-29-2006, 01:29 PM
I have a 22-243AI with an 8" twist. The rifle shoots incredibly small groups with the 75gr A-Max bullet and 48.2gr of RE22. Best group to date was a .625" fired @ 600yds. Velocity is 3,670 ft/sec from the 28" Hart barrel.

The A-Max delivers instant varmint kills at any range. This cartridge is a varmint's nightmare.

John in WYO
12-30-2006, 10:29 PM
If you're looking for a very knowledgeable 'smith for a .22-243 call Hazer at Bison Barrel Works, Recluse, WY (NW of Gillette) 307-687-1176. BBW built my custom 700 in .25-06 and rebarreled my 700 PSS in .223. I'd recommend BBW very highly and they do lots of .22-243 shooting as well as building.
Tell him John from Wheatland told you to call.

Catfish
12-31-2006, 02:42 PM
Doc,
I just rebarreled a Savage to .22-6mm. with a 1 in 8 twist for heavy bullets. I see little advantage in pushing lite bullets very fast, but like the idea of the very high BC of the heavy bullets. If you go to the trouble of cronoing your loads and working out and checking your bullet drop elevation on target becomes a matter of lazering and setting moa. The real problem with long range shooting is guessing the windage. I have seen wind flags blowing in all direction in as little as 100 yrds, so it is really quite inpossible to figure exactly what the wind is going to do to your bullet. For that reason I like the high BC high secetional density bullet which drift less.
Serria 80 and 90 gr. .22 cal bullets are not hard to get any more and several other manufactures are makeing bullets 75 gr. and over. I can see why you rebarreled to the .22-250 though, with the liter bullets I really think it makes more sence.
I`m still working on different powders so I`m not sure exactly where I`ll be with velosity, but I have a load with RL-25 that looks good at just over 3,500 fps with the 80 gr. Serria. I still have not cronoed the loads with H-870 so I`m not exactly sure where they are but I expect about the same.

LASSIE
07-24-2010, 08:24 PM
Who has the best price on 22-243 and 6-06 dies?

WDSWIFT
07-24-2010, 09:31 PM
Huntingtons in California. Last I looked they had about everything known to mankind in the way of dies.

www.huntingtons.com

Catfish
07-25-2010, 03:07 PM
Since this thread has been brought back from the grave I will add that I shot out the .22-6mm throught in aroumd 1,000 rounds. I had it set back and rechambered plus and barrel made so when I get it shot out again I can just switch barrels without the wait.

keithcandler
07-25-2010, 04:08 PM
"The only negative things I can say about the 22-243 is it's hard on barrels and it seemed I had to have a different load for every 15 degree temp. change. "

I found this to be true on every fast twsit barrel I have owned.

LASSIE
11-12-2010, 12:22 AM
Who has the best price on 22-243 and 6-06 dies?

http://www.ch4d.com/
the cheapest on the net
any caliber you want

C Miller
11-12-2010, 11:21 AM
Here's a pic of my 22-243, basically a PSS with a 28" Brux 1-8 barrel. Feeds easily from the mag and forming brass is a one pass affair with a Redding bushing 243 FL die. I seat with a Hornady 220 swift seater die, the Hornady's are not cart. specific. This pig was a one shot kill at approx 280-300yds with a 75gr Amax at 3600fps. Rifle has over 300 rounds through it and still shots .5" moa. Tried the Middlestead and had feeding problems, dies were expensive. This was probably the easiest Wildcat I've ever worked with as a fireforming case looks finished and shoots as well as a formed case. You want to see a Coyote drop like a bag of hammers, put a 75gr amax at 3600fps through the boiler room on one. As for barrel life you know how many pigs you have to kill before you get 300 rounds down one??? A lot, if you want a target gun choose something else, it's no surprise that a lot of Coyote hunters use this round.
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entry below the ear
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exit other side
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FatAlbert
11-21-2010, 01:58 PM
Just did a 22/243Win and 22/6Rem on my progarm and the 22/243Win holds 49gr. of H2o and the 22/6Rem hold 54gr. 10% larger case. A 220 Swift holds 46gr.

udiablo
11-21-2010, 02:54 PM
With regards to the original post, the .22/.243 is not too new.

Checking a couple of references, Charles Durham was building rifles for his
224 Durham Jet back during the late '60s and early '70s.

About the same time as the 75 grain Sisk bullet was available?

I did not find any mention of it in PO Ackleys first Handbook (the single volume one I have was in 1959), but it's in his later 2-volume Handbook
(1971).

Worth noting that Durham set the shoulder back (longer neck) than some other (and later) versions. This might help to reduce throat erosion.