concealed carry weapon ideas... [Archive]

joeniv

01-05-2007, 02:32 PM

Nebraska passed their concealed carry law - it went into effect on Jan 1. Permits are being issued as of Wednesday, first day of biddness for state offices... I'm in no hurry to get mine, but it is on my list of "things to do"

question is -

What Gun?

I have a Taurus 22LR semi auto with standard mags

I have a Ruger 9mm semi auto with high capacity mags

I have a Glock 40 cal semi auto with high capacity mags

I have a Colt Gold Cup 45 CAP with 8 round mags

I have a S&W 44 Mag / Spl revolver - 6 shot 5" barrel

I have a Colt Python .357 Mag / .38 Spl revolver - 6 shot 6" barrel

http://photos.imageevent.com/joeniv/gunsandstuff/huge/2_revolvers.jpg

With all these handguns, why do I find myself wanting something else? I'm thinking of a 5 shot revolver in 44 Spl or 45 LC, maybe a 2" or 3" barrel... I'm a big guy, with fairly large hands. The other option near the top of the list is one of those little taurus .38 Spl with the bobbed hammer 2" barrel.

Thoughts? Things to consider? just trying to get a dialog going here, not looking to debate the whole idea of CCW permits.....

-niv

Squeeze

01-05-2007, 02:48 PM

varminter22

01-05-2007, 03:09 PM

Hi Joe,

I always say "If I knew I were going to a gunfight (well, first of all, I probably wouldn't go!) I would take a 12 ga shotgun and a .45ACP.

And many will say to never carry a caliber less than .40. Indeed, the .40, .44, and .45 are superb choices. NOT bad advice.

BUT, in our daily lives, it may not be easy to conceal a larger caliber - even the compact models.

And, of course, the first rule is "have a gun." The .32, .38, or even the .25 or .22 ON YOUR PERSON is better than the .45 left in the nightstand or under the seat in your vehicle.

What the heck? Get a big bore for carry when circumstances/weather/wardrobe will allow and get a small bore (mouse gun?) for those other circumstances where is just isn't easy/feasible to conceal the big bore.

Not everyone will agree. But thats my ever so humble opinion! Ha.

Perhaps there are those that CAN and DO carry a big bore day in/day out, in all climates and all social situations. But I would be willing to wager there are many that leave that big bore at home or in their vehicle when a smaller firearm would fit the bill.

Hawkeye

01-05-2007, 03:28 PM

Thats great that Nebraska became a shall issue state. I believe theres only a couple states left don't allow CC. Now if all the states will honor CCW from other states, that would be nice but more than likely won't happen.

I have a permit to carry concealed. I have a few different guns that I use. A Glock 22 in 40 S&W, a Springfield Armory XD in 357 Sig and a model 60 in 38 special. Any of these will work in most situations. I've been thinking of buying a compact 1911 in 45 ACP with Crimson Trace laser grips, this would handle all situations as long as you had plenty of extra mags.

As long as you find something you are comfortable shooting, shoot accurately and buy a GOOD holster to secure it in, thats what is most important.

Whatever you choose to carry is better than nothing at all.

Greyfox

01-05-2007, 04:05 PM

Do I ever agree with this. The best carry gun is one you WILL carry. I've seen any # of folks who chose 45's and other large calibers, but after a few months that get really tired of toting that big sucker around.

Also, you should consider the fact that if it's a "good shoot", you better be close enough to nearly touch the perp with the muzzle and even then it will be debated whether or not you were threatened.

All that being said, I'd suggest you consider one of the small automatics. I've carried a Kel-Tec 32 for as long as TN has allowed me to carry (with the exception of the first couple of months). If I am anything other than my underwear, I have it on my person, even at home. It won't take down a bear, but I will have it on me at all times.

Rick

01-05-2007, 05:38 PM

I strongly agree with Varminter22 and Greyfox. I have carried concealed off and on since the mid-eighties. My carry piece has constantly gotten smaller and lighter. I carry the Kel-Tec 380 now when I do carry. Once in a blue moon I carry the .45 Commander but it is for a very short time and when I don't really care if someone knows I am carrying or not.

You do have more cool weather than I do but regardless of concealment something that is heavy or that digs into your hide will be carried less than something that you can truly forget is there. If you are constantly aware of your carry piece it is too big and awkward.

Hu

Hi Joe,

I always say "If I knew I were going to a gunfight (well, first of all, I probably wouldn't go!) I would take a 12 ga shotgun and a .45ACP.

And many will say to never carry a caliber less than .40. Indeed, the .40, .44, and .45 are superb choices. NOT bad advice.

BUT, in our daily lives, it may not be easy to conceal a larger caliber - even the compact models.

And, of course, the first rule is "have a gun." The .32, .38, or even the .25 or .22 ON YOUR PERSON is better than the .45 left in the nightstand or under the seat in your vehicle.

What the heck? Get a big bore for carry when circumstances/weather/wardrobe will allow and get a small bore (mouse gun?) for those other circumstances where is just isn't easy/feasible to conceal the big bore.

Not everyone will agree. But thats my ever so humble opinion! Ha.

Perhaps there are those that CAN and DO carry a big bore day in/day out, in all climates and all social situations. But I would be willing to wager there are many that leave that big bore at home or in their vehicle when a smaller firearm would fit the bill.

Mortis

01-05-2007, 06:40 PM

how to carry what you decide to carry.

Having carried concealed as a LEO and a civilian one of the keys to concealed carry is the word concealed. With the right holster, you can carry that 6 inch Colt as easy as a J-Frame Smith.

Hundreds of people will tell you which is the best holster to use by what holster maker based on their experiences. Nothing wrong with that, but that is like someone telling you that only one handgun is the best of the hundreds of styles and types out there. It just might not fit your situation.

And just because you see ads in magazines touting their holsters does not make them the best. They just paid for the ad space.

IMO, the best holster does not advertise. He doesn't have too. His government contracts alone provides him with a decent income. And every student to attend the FBI Academy uses his holsters, mag puches, and handcuff cases. What they use after graduation is up to them.

On item I strongly recommend is that you do not fall into the Paddle Holster trap. Sure, it is easy to remove it and weapon from your body when not needed. And it certainly protects the handgun. But unless you are wearing real bulky clothing, it will print. And Printing is telling everyone you are carrying.

My wife wears a holster that is simple to install to the belt without undoing the belt and pays the weapon tight to the body. The holster does not shift position during carry. This is important cause a holster will shift when setting and standing. It is bothersome and the last thing you need to be doing is adjusting it's position after getting up from dinner in a resturant.

When we worked the Tulsa Gunshows, she'd wear her rig under a dark, printed t-shirt. No one knew she was carrying unless she told them. Even then they usually did not believe her until she raised up her shirt to show them her Browning BDM with a 15 round mag in it.

BTW......we were selling Concealed Carry Holsters. And did quite well.

OK... so I have spouted much and said some of what I think.

But give plenty of consideration to whose holster you buy, cause how well you carry and mean the difference between walking away or being carried away from a bad situation.

Might I suggest this website to give you an idea of what true quality holsters are?

http://www.miltsparks.com/

No, it was not his holsters I was selling, but Tony Kannaly, who owns Milt Sparts, is a very good friend of his. Give Tony a call, talk to him about your thinking and needs. I'm sure he'd be glad to give you what time he has to help.

Also, try the 1911 Forum. Look for Lou Alessi. He is a former LEO and comes from a family of shoe makers. Talk about a man who understands concealed carry and the quality of leather work. He is also a gentleman who will try to anser all your questions. And you can tell him a crazy old Marine from Oklahoma sic'd you on him.:D

I hope this helps some.

Oleman

01-05-2007, 07:06 PM

Joe

I'd be looking at one of the Springfields in the Compact in 40 S&W or the new 45.

I've had one for over 5 years and have yet to have a feeding problem or a jam. These are great guns.

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/review/XD-9_Tactical.htm

Don-LongRangeSupply.com

01-05-2007, 07:40 PM

The Kel Tec is small enough that you never have to leave it in the car or even worse, at home.

By all means get a nice Galco holster for your favorite 'small' .45 or .40 but be sure to get yourself a Kel Tec 380 too.

Jim n Iowa

01-05-2007, 09:37 PM

I carry a 44 sp 2", 5 rd in my drivers door/3 speed loaders, 215 sthp bullets. It is a easy gun to slip in your rear pocket. Another carry for me if wearing a coat is a 1911 tricked out 45acp with many clips. Ruger is now making the "Alaskan" in 44 mag. I believe the 44 sp loaded with a good hard cast 240 bullet getting out -1000fps in a 2.5"-4" barrel is a great carry gun, on the street or in the field. I would go for the Ruger and trade in the Taurus 2" (if they will take it).
Jim

Terry N.

01-05-2007, 10:19 PM

I've got a Taurus just like you describe, and I shoot it VERY well. But, with grips big enough to fit my hand it's damn near the exact same size as my Browning High Power! Let's see, 5 rounds of .38 Special or 15 rounds of 9mm? Hmmmm....

Of the guns you mentioned, I'd try the Glock .40. Or the Gold Cup.

Bruce Herndon

01-05-2007, 10:30 PM

Joe, here is a photo of a Sig P239 .40 S&W lying on top of a Tanfoglio Witness 9mm. The Tanfoglio is a clone of the CZ 75.
http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/15/15729/folders/189966/1423920sigtan.jpg

A view from behind to compare thickness.
http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/15/15729/folders/189966/1423924sigtan2.jpg

John Kennedy

01-05-2007, 11:52 PM

You will have to make your decision depending on your personal situation,.I've carried for almost 50 years, most of the time. For me it's the Smith Light Weight Body Guard with plus P 38 Cal. Smith makes one even lighter now as does Tarus and even Charter Arms. It's not something you are going to shoot thousands of rounds through. You already have some good ones for that. What ever you do, get one you can carry and it will be CONCEALED. Good luck.

Rocky Raab

01-06-2007, 02:44 PM

I carry a 44 sp 2", 5 rd in my drivers door/3 speed loaders, 215 sthp bullets.
Jim

Bingo. My carry gun is an original Charter Arms Bulldog .44 with a 2 1/2" heavy barrel. It weighs exactly 1 pound 11.3 ounces loaded and in its Roy's pancake holster. I never feel it when I wear it, it will end any argument right NOW, and is both accurate and totally reliable.

Oh, and the sight of those great big silver bullets from the business end is intimidating, to say the least! :eek:

Original Charter Bulldogs are a bit hard to find (and you should insist on the original ones, not the very different Charter 2000 creations) but if you do find one, snap it up. And wear it with confidence.

Monkeyman

01-06-2007, 02:46 PM

When it's hard to carry I slip a 5-shot .38 snubby in my jeans pocket. When I'm wearing a loose shirt I carry a compact 9mm DA pistol in a paddle holster on my kidney. When I'm really stuck I'll wear the revolver on my ankle but that would be a last resort. I carry a gun nearly all day of every day of life, it needs to be as familiar as a money clip or car keys. You'll get tired of carrying a big gun REALLY quickly, even if you have the clothing to conceal it. Ask people who carry concealed guns for a living and I'll bet most would recommend a .38 or .357 snubby revolver. Remember this, you will be carrying to DEFEND yourself, the first two rules of self-defense are RUN and HIDE.

Jim Corbett

01-06-2007, 08:38 PM

I'm not a (very) big guy and I fall squarely on the side of getting one you don't mind carrying. I have a Kel-tec P3-AT .380 and a Walther PPK-S as my primary carry guns. Many will knock the .380, but with good ammo, it's one shot kill rate is really pretty good. Note the ammo - IMHO this is as important as the gun and deserves considerable attention as well. Having said this, a compact .45, being as thin as it is can be a very good and comfortable choice. I also have a Republic Arms Patriot .45 "car gun" that I can carry out if I feel the need, it's just not quite as comfortable as the Walther. For someone of your size, a compact Glock in .40 is a pretty good choice; but for the money the Kel-tec .380 is a great second purchase, given whatever you choose for the first (tho older ones may need a replacement extractor for reliability). You can hide it anywhere so it will be there - even if you chose not to carry your primary. I don't always pack the Walther, but the KT stays in the car and can always be dropped into a pocket or with with optional clip, just slid inside the pants.

Jim Corbett

01-06-2007, 08:42 PM

forgot to mention that I agree with an earlier post. I have a Milt Sparks holster for the PPK-S. It takes awhile to get it but they make great holsters.

BarryinPa

01-06-2007, 09:15 PM

Of the ones you already have, I would go for the glock to carry, and the colt 45 staying in the truck. Right now I carry a kimber cdpII most of the time, sometimes my amt 45 backup, which fits well in my back pocket. Used to use my colt agent 38 with super vel ammo, but it should really have the hammer bobbed to be a good carry weapon. Also tried my bobcat 32, but it just feels so puny. I just really like my .45s, wish they could come out with something on the order of the backup but in a single action auto type.
Barry

LanceInOregon

01-07-2007, 02:40 AM

because it sounds like you don't have anything appropriate currently for effective concealed carry.

Ruger autos are all pretty large. And which Glock Model do you have? If it is either the 22 or 23, they are both quite bulky to carry, despite their light weight. I tried carrying a Glock 19, and found it way too large.

So unless you want to go with your little .22 Taurus auto, you need to get something new.

Now one of the real lightweight Taurus 2 inch snubbie .38's would be a good solution. But even better, in my opinion, are the lightweight Taurus MILLENNIUM PRO autos. They are available in 9mm, 40 S&W, and .45 ACP

These are quite lightweight ( 9mm and .40 S&W weigh 18.6 oz ) and compact. The 9mm holds 12 rds in the magazine, the .40 holds 10 ) The .45 version is available as a 6 shot mag compact version ( weight 20.8 oz ) and larger 10 shot mag model ( weight 22.2 oz )

I have large hands myself, and I went with the .40 caliber model. It fits my hand very well, as you can see here:

http://i3.tinypic.com/3y3u5ig.jpg

Although the gun looks large in this photo, it actually conceals rather easily in an inside the pants holster.

Anyway, do check these autos out also, and see what you think. Using lighter weight high velocity bullets will lower the total weight of your pistol. I have 10 135 gr .40 caliber rounds in my Taurus, which sure beats 5 .38 Special rounds.

If you decide you would like to get a really small .380, I would recommend finding a Colt Mustang or Government Model .380 These were discontinued in 1997 But they are tiny litte 1911's, that are super easy to conceal. They are expensive, though. But I would trust my life with one.

By the way, how much money do you want for your Colt Python and S&W .44? I will be happy to take both of them off your hands for you. They would both look really great in my gun collection.

So please let me know how much money you would like for each of them. :D

Lance in Oregon

Jim in Mich

01-07-2007, 09:29 AM

It's just like having an extra wallet in your pocket. I also reccomend the Uncle Mike's pocket holster to go with it. Carrying big heavy 45's is a MAJOR PAIN and you will soon tier of it.

bluebeemer

01-07-2007, 06:02 PM

I am 6-1 about 250 :D and carry a GLOCK 23. On occassion, I have carried my G-22. From your picture, my guess would be that concealment shouldn't be too big of a problem.;) A good IWB (inside waist band) holster with light cover (t-shirt) in summer and whatever is comfortable in other seasons works great for me. My daily carry is the G-23 in a Bladetech IWB. Since it is their "one size fits all" model, it also works on my G-22 or G-27.

Hope this helps.

ThJudg

01-07-2007, 11:01 PM

Here's the one I carry most of the time. It will fit in a holster or your pocket, and there's nothing to snag when you want to get it out. With some Federal Hydra-Shocks in it, I really don't worry about it not being effective.

ThJudg Roger)

http://www.hunt101.com/img/306195.jpg

Hardwood

01-07-2007, 11:30 PM

It's small, powerful (.40), and the +1 mag w/grip extender lends itself well to larger hands.

RandyinVA

01-08-2007, 04:09 PM

Dwayne TX

01-08-2007, 04:40 PM

The bobbed hammer Taurus is a nice shooting/handling choice. I've got a friend that bought a Kahr 9mm recently. She's not big as a minute and handles this one with no problems. I like it so much, I'm going to sell my Kel-Tec to get a Kahr, which now has 40 and 45 versions.

jbh

01-08-2007, 10:11 PM

if Nebraska has a reciprocity agreement with SD? I think SD has agrements w/ND,TX(certain), and I'm sure there are others but can't come up w/them. Good luck on your search for a CCW.

Jake in NC

01-08-2007, 11:30 PM

.. I carried A S&W Airweight for years.. But the bulk of the cylinder and the barrel wore places on the outside of my bibs from thru the pocket.. I switched to the little "credit card gun" Kel-tec P3AT .380 a while back and haven't looked back.. It's no killer of giants but makes a great "gut gun" for basic defensive shooting and disappears in the pocket, IMO.. It printed a little over an inch at 5 or 6 yards and stays with me everywhere I go..
.. I tried it with larger handguns and that just didn't cut it for me.. Trying to hide it in light casual clothing gets old quick.. But there's very valid points on both sides of this discussion..
.. Honestly, I'd say carry what you're willing to carry.. As was more-or-less said before, a .380 in the hand beats a .45 under the seat.. Good Luck, niv.!! d:^) Jake

30378

01-10-2007, 06:54 PM

I am a die hard 1911 guy but lately I have had my eye on the new S&W M&P auto. Only reason I have not bought one is making my mind up between a 9 or a 40. I have reloading stuff for a 9 from a Browning Hi-Power.

:D

Hogchaser

01-10-2007, 10:25 PM

I have a Colt Govt in 9MM that I would use if I were to get a CCW, I have also considered buying a XD 9MM with a 4" barrel for everyday use.

s3gunner

01-12-2007, 02:28 PM

I think it was on this forum, but I could be wrong, there was a link
to a thread on another site, that had a autopsy technician describing
what he saw in gunshot deaths. He said the Gang Bangers used
9mm, and he saw the 9mm round glancing off bones, rather than
breaking them. I think this person was also a former police officer.
Anyway, his recommendation was to carry a .45 ACP launcher, if
one could handle it well. I think he thought a .357 Mag was a good
revolver round, but he didn't see many gunshot deaths by .357 anymore,
due to the current semi-auto pistol rage. So when/if Wisconsin ever
gets CCW by the current flood of liberals in the Assembly, and our
"fine" Democrat Govenor, I will be looking at an XD-45, or maybe
a 1911 Compact, since the 1911 and I are soul mates:D

Squeeze

I was looking at a .40 XD last night. I have 2 .45's a combat commander, and an SS Officers ACP. both are 100% reliable, but it's always good to have a few good back-up guns! That said, I'm afraid we won't get a "GOOD" CCW law in the books for some years to come! Look at the last killing at a school and you'll see the reaction taken by those elected "officials".

Steven

papapaul

04-14-2007, 06:51 PM

Kel-tec 380. Short, flat, light, and always at hand. Carry something else also if you want. The Kel-Tec has no safety to confuse, no hammer to hit the floor and go off. If I plan on taking offensive action, I will arm myself accordingly, and a pistol probably wouldn't even enter into the equation. Concealed carry is about defense. You just need enough to save yourself, and/or break contact.

UMB

04-14-2007, 07:24 PM

My preference has been the 1911, but most of the time I carry a S/W airweight 38 Special with +P's. I don't feel underarmed with the airweight. One of the biggest concerns is getting a holster that does the job day in and day out. I've got a whole bag of holsters that I've tried and was not really satisfied with. For the 1911 my fave has been the Bianchi ( I think it's a summer type) that snaps over your belt and has a swivel screw in it. If your left handed I'll loan you my spare so you can try it out.

doughboy

04-14-2007, 11:34 PM

Strongly Agree with Above, KELTEC 380

woodchuckchucker

04-15-2007, 08:25 AM

Just like there is no perfect situation rifle, there is no perfect situation handgun. No perfect holster either. That said, I've been licensed, AND CARRIED, for years and years. The best handgun is the one you are carry'n. Period! If its not comfy, you will not carry. I have a number of handguns, and several hand cannons. I have a specific model for week-day carry, and a specific model for "dress" mode. Both operate in nearly the same way. The daily carry model is a DAO, bobbed hammer, Ruger SP101 in .357. There is a reason for this carry gun. Here in PA, we can't shoot any animal with a semi-auto handgun and I am in the fields very often, if not working in the factory. For "dress mode" I carry a Kahr P-45, another DAO, but in semi-auto configureation. I'm a (med/lg) build and I'm able to carry either very well. You need to decide what is best for you in your situation. I also wear the holster that blends to my body profile easily. I'm not going to mention a brand, as I have several. Good luck Sir. Bill........................

Monkeyman

04-15-2007, 10:10 AM

You are going to need two guns. For a small gun a .38 snubby with +P loads in a pocket or on the ankle works fine when you can't carry something bigger. When you can carry on your hip an auto in .40S&W is good, like a Glock. I personally prefer full-control pistols and would recommend a CZ Compact in .40 to someone who who shoots allot.

papapaul

04-15-2007, 10:56 AM

Without discussing the merits of cartridges, there are several factors which affect the concealability of a pistol. 1) thickness, 2) weight, 3) length of the longest axis, in that order, per a KGB study. I have found this to be true. It is alot easier to conceal a 1911 than a S&W M58. even though they weigh the same and are the same length, and for the sake of this argument, have the same punch. The moment I became aware of the existence of the KT 380 I bought it. I was handed it by a counterperson at a gun store. It looked nice and small, but it weighed nothing. I retired my carrygun of the time, a Baretta in .22 short. The KT 380 is thinner, and weighs less, and carries nicer. You can talk about your .4 all you want. For me, moving up from a .22 short to a 380 was something. During the 12 years I carried the Baretta on the farm, I killed five dogs with it. Everyone of them was a suprise, fastmoving situation. One was a pitbull which had snuck in and had puppies in our barn. It jumped me when I walked in. My dog got between us just in time, and I killed the pitbull to save my dog. Another was a Rotweiller which was charging five us. It also had puppies. We were walking near the woods and got too close. These were dogs which town people had dropped off in the country because they were pregnant, or were problem dogs. My point is, a .22 short ain't much, but it was enough, and way better than nothing.

Jim in Mich

04-15-2007, 02:17 PM

The KelTec 380 and Uncle Mike's pocket holster is hard to beat for ease of carry and concealment. The heavy big bores are hard to conceal and pain to carry so you have a tendancy to leave them at home.

ThJudg

04-15-2007, 11:09 PM

With an Uncle Mike's Sidekick pocket holster, you can carry this in either a front pocket or a rear pocket without detection. Unless of course, you wear your pants so tight that you can see the pores in your skin like the teenagers do.

http://www.hunt101.com/img/306195.jpg

ThJudg (Roger)

Mike Scott

04-16-2007, 11:23 AM

air weight 38s (S&W 642) because I am more familiar with revolvers. I like the Kramer pocket holsters and it will fit into any pocket. I can keep a "big" gun in the car.

1Shot

04-16-2007, 09:48 PM

For a carry gun that goes everywhere with me is my Kel-tec 380. I use to have a Kel-tec 32 that I shot Cor-Bon ammo in but after shooting a few deer that were wounded or run over by others I decided I needed something with a little more thump. The 380 with Cor-Bon does much better. For my main carry gun is a Rossi SS six-shot 357 mag with 2 inch barrel with Speer 158gr. Gold Dot ammo because it shoots to the sights and does a good job of expanding. It is about the same size as a 5 shot 38 and is as well made as any S&W. I carry it in an inside the wasteband holster that I made. It will not move and will stay put. You can carry it with a tee-shirt left out of your pants and no one will ever know. I like a revolver as a self defence gun. You do not have to worry about a jam or a safety to take off or if a round miss-fires you just pull the trigger again. Like others have said, you do not need a high capacity weapon for a self defence weapon. You need a weapon that will work everytime and will stop the threat to you inside 3 feet. If you have to shoot more than one time it looks bad to the 12 that will hold your life in their hands in a court of law. :eek: :confused: I may be thinking about a Charter arms 44.:D

RandyinVA

04-17-2007, 08:40 PM

Glock 40 hands down.

Choice is simple ..first two to small, last two to big. A 45 will not kill any deader and you normally get a 2-3 cartridge premium with the Glock in 40.

If you not confident about your manhood you can carry a 45! but it fights the idea of CONCEALED unless you wear winter overcoats everywhere.

The best gun is the one you have on you so choose one that will always be on you. I personally chose the baby Glock in .40 (Model 27) because my big H&K 40 was too big for conceal carry.

papapaul

04-19-2007, 09:56 AM

Have you ever noticed how many middle aged men are going around with their shirts out these days. These are people who are neat dressers and would always previously tuck their shirts in. Hmmmm.

udiablo

04-22-2007, 01:26 PM

docrem

04-22-2007, 02:40 PM

My choice for all occassions is the Glock Model 27 (Baby Glock) which has the aftermarket barrel to allow lead and keep barrel rise to a minimum.

A .45 can'/t knock them deader and the xtra couple of .40s left over beyond the avg .45 capacity may be appreciated!

I'm a glock 27 (.40 cal) fan too. I was carrying a 19 (9mm), which is a bit larger with a few more rounds, and a great all around gun. While 9mm affords more economical practice, something not to be overlooked, I have the luxury of similar guns in different calibers to negate that. Moreover, having worked shootings in the ER I have seen some less than impressive results from 9mm which caused me to re-examine my choice of carry. I have been quite impressed with .40 performance. A glock makes a great ccw weapon for a number of reasons, and the smaller glock is very easy to carry all day. They are renown for thier reliability, the finish is second to none for durability, very lightweight, and 10 rounds of .40 fits in a package smaller than a detective special. If you already have a larger glock in .40, then the magazines will fit the smaller gun as well, taking capacity up to 13 or 16. I have a .380 keltec, a .45, and a glock 19 but they are in the safe mostly. If you get serious about carry, you need to get a gun for carry, and the 27 is my ideal. Some call it a compromise, I call it optimized!
http://www.hunt101.com/img/420097.jpg

my 3 glocks

http://www.hunt101.com/img/373057.jpg

27

papapaul

04-23-2007, 08:28 AM

udiablo, I was going to say something about the fanny packs, but couldn't formulate my thoughts. I hope those guys don't think they are fooling anybody. You can carry damn near any handgun you want in one of those, but there are some lines I just won't cross.

Ridgerunnr

04-23-2007, 02:47 PM

If you do like the Glock do yourself a favor and try the Springfield XD line..I have several and prefer them over the Glock. They seem to fit my hand better and I like the grip safety. The Subcompact stainless slide 40 cal sure is nice..Shoots very well also.

Mortis

04-23-2007, 06:35 PM

Middle-aged men with their shirts out?

Hey, I resemble that remark!

But, it's better to see men with their shirts out than wearing a "fanny pack".

Surprised that no one mentioned the Barami hip-grip. It's not a new idea, but has been used for undercover work for a long time.

Here in the southwest (yeah, me too Mortis!) we have several days during the year when you don't wear a lot of clothes (at least when less seems to feel better).

Those with small Smith revolvers (Mod.36, Mod.60, and the airweights) can use the Barami hip-grip.

No holster needed, just clip it on your waistband or in your hip pocket and wear a shirt that will keep it covered.

During the warmer months, I typically carry a Mod.36 and/or Mod.60 snub with Barami grips clipped on the waistband (there seems to be more waistband as I get older for some reason?) and wear my shirt out.

Load your .38s with some decent +P (or +P+), and you should be dressed for success.

In cooler weather, or when required to wear a jacket/tie (my "commander" insists, sometimes), I go with Galco/Jackass leather for my .45s and spare magazines.

Most important, keep it concealed, and obey your state laws.

Yeah...here in the SouthWest.....:D

The less clothes the better starting this time of year and going sometimes all the way to Thanksgiving.

Careful consideration must be given on dress to carry. I've carried a 1911 or a 4inch N-Frame Smith without trouble this time of the year. Wife has carried a Browning BDM under a printed T-Shirt and no one ever noticed. She use to do it at guns shows and challenged folks to detect her pistol. No one ever did.

Dress and a properly constructed holster makes a world of difference. And in this part of the country, a nice shirt opened over a t-shirt is not uncommon. But sure is ugly if shirt is open to show a nekkid beer belly.:eek:

hotcap

04-23-2007, 09:31 PM

Depends on time of year (amount of clothes) as to what I carry. 3 most popular- 40 Kimber Ultra carry with Crimson trace- 617 Titanium Taurus 357 mag and Taurus 24/7 in 45. Rem Golden Sabers in 40 and 45, Hornady XTP in 357 mag. -- To all who read this- Once more the secret to concealed carry is carry! Also decide before hand if you have the intestinal fortitude to pull the trigger. No shame! But moment of decision is not the time to ponder your choices. Think it out know. I couldn't be more serious. I pray I will never have to but will if I must.
hotcap