I've seen some great deals on Ruger 22 hornet rifles lately. Does anyone think they are useful? Or would a 221 Fireball be a minimum in general for yotes?
Thanks Brad
Thanks Brad
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Charlie: Not having a strain guage or transducer equipment to measure CUP, I can only say that this load is used by many other shooters of this caliber, was published by Alex and Kindler in SCN and his 17 book, and all 'normal' pressure indicators are nominal.
My primers are still showing a good radius on the edges, no primer flow into the firing pin hole, cases (and we're talkin' Hornet cases here....) seem to last more than 8 firings so far, the most any of them have been shot, and the pockets are still nice and snug.
These indications tell me I COULD go a bit higher in charge weight, but common sense and prudence say otherwise. It is a perfectly safe load in this Ruger single shot, and I've been shooting it now for exactly five years with right at 800 rounds downrange to date.
Keep in mind that this is the "bank vault" falling block Ruger also, tight neck chamber shooting only 20 grain bullets. This load is not straining either the tin-foil Hornet cases, or the rifle. As a sidenote, all bullets are coated with WS2, not that it makes that much difference, but still a factor to keep in mind.
I appreciate your comment about younger shooters and older rifles, and I always recommend using published data from manuals for those not so experienced, but this is a wildcat caliber, and published data is not available from any bullet makers manual. You do realize that we're talking about the 17 Ackley Hornet here, and not the 22 Hornet or 22 K-Hornet, right?
My primers are still showing a good radius on the edges, no primer flow into the firing pin hole, cases (and we're talkin' Hornet cases here....) seem to last more than 8 firings so far, the most any of them have been shot, and the pockets are still nice and snug.
These indications tell me I COULD go a bit higher in charge weight, but common sense and prudence say otherwise. It is a perfectly safe load in this Ruger single shot, and I've been shooting it now for exactly five years with right at 800 rounds downrange to date.
Keep in mind that this is the "bank vault" falling block Ruger also, tight neck chamber shooting only 20 grain bullets. This load is not straining either the tin-foil Hornet cases, or the rifle. As a sidenote, all bullets are coated with WS2, not that it makes that much difference, but still a factor to keep in mind.
I appreciate your comment about younger shooters and older rifles, and I always recommend using published data from manuals for those not so experienced, but this is a wildcat caliber, and published data is not available from any bullet makers manual. You do realize that we're talking about the 17 Ackley Hornet here, and not the 22 Hornet or 22 K-Hornet, right?
Hot 17AH
Rick strain guage would work for the neck and shoulder been shooting 17AH more then 5years made them up in low walls high walls and two martini`s. your ruger must have a short barrel with 26in I was getting cup pressures in the range of 44200 to 45700 with 12.5gr h4198 9.2grs H4227 10gr lilgun but never used A1680 will work up a load starting at 10gr of A1680 on my bank vault High Wall and let you know what cup pressure I get
Rick strain guage would work for the neck and shoulder been shooting 17AH more then 5years made them up in low walls high walls and two martini`s. your ruger must have a short barrel with 26in I was getting cup pressures in the range of 44200 to 45700 with 12.5gr h4198 9.2grs H4227 10gr lilgun but never used A1680 will work up a load starting at 10gr of A1680 on my bank vault High Wall and let you know what cup pressure I get
Wow,,,and I didn't even SEE this line of posts,,,
You guys went all over SEVERAL topics. Just reading the title of "22 Hornet" didn't reveal all the sidetracking in this post.
In fact I just did read page 5 and 6 and haven't even read the other several pages of posts!
Might should have started a seperate line of posts so others could join in.
A 17 Ackley Hornet topic and I didn't KNOW ABOUT IT!
You guys are having all the fun here and I didn't know about it.
3,700-3,800 fps in the 17AH? That would be like cruising at 65 mph in your family car,,,normal and little stress.
Have not tried 1680???? That would be like going to Golden Corral and never getting to the guy cutting up the STEAKS!~! Especially with N 120 getting really SCARCE~!
You guys went all over SEVERAL topics. Just reading the title of "22 Hornet" didn't reveal all the sidetracking in this post.
In fact I just did read page 5 and 6 and haven't even read the other several pages of posts!
Might should have started a seperate line of posts so others could join in.
A 17 Ackley Hornet topic and I didn't KNOW ABOUT IT!
You guys are having all the fun here and I didn't know about it.
3,700-3,800 fps in the 17AH? That would be like cruising at 65 mph in your family car,,,normal and little stress.
Have not tried 1680????
That would be like going to Golden Corral and never getting to the guy cutting up the STEAKS!~! Especially with N 120 getting really SCARCE~!
I haven't used any coated bullets in any of the loads I've discussed
but I'm going to have to because I have a coupla thousand different 17 cal bullets treated with Danzac. I imagine I'll have to start all over with my load combos then. I have to mention a lot of the loads we use are regulated by the primer we use in the 17 AI Hornet Especially in the TC Contender (Primer Pooch). So far I'm getting along real good with the R-P 7 1/2 but Due to Brisance, I try to use pistol primers in both the 17 AI & the regular 22 & 22K Hornets. Sometimes we getter better consistancy with the pistol primers. I can't talk about treated bullets yet for these Hornets because I haven't used them but I found that, In order to maintain the same speed in my 280 Rem, I have to come up nearly 2 grs in my load. I imagine there will be a powder adjustment in my Hornet cases too. I'm sure a lot of folks have been there and done that already.
but I'm going to have to because I have a coupla thousand different 17 cal bullets treated with Danzac. I imagine I'll have to start all over with my load combos then. I have to mention a lot of the loads we use are regulated by the primer we use in the 17 AI Hornet Especially in the TC Contender (Primer Pooch). So far I'm getting along real good with the R-P 7 1/2 but Due to Brisance, I try to use pistol primers in both the 17 AI & the regular 22 & 22K Hornets. Sometimes we getter better consistancy with the pistol primers. I can't talk about treated bullets yet for these Hornets because I haven't used them but I found that, In order to maintain the same speed in my 280 Rem, I have to come up nearly 2 grs in my load. I imagine there will be a powder adjustment in my Hornet cases too. I'm sure a lot of folks have been there and done that already.
17AH w/"Adjusted" Loads
My Ruger No.3 in 17AH started it's barrel life with WS2 coated bullets, so the loads were worked up accordingly. It has never seen a naked bullet its entire life (PG Rated?). The same goes for my Sako-Shilen barreled 17M4.
I realize the photo does not show the fired primer condition, but this is the pet load for the Ruger No.3 mentioned and pictured with its 22" barrel a page back. As you can see, all appears well. The clean-up neck turning needed for this rifle can be seen also. Loaded round to neck clearance ID: .002"
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Even though the velocity registers right at 3810 fps with the 20gr bullet, the load shows absolutely NO signs of pressure, not one bit. The extractor on these rifles has no where near the extraction ability of a good bolt gun, and even if the fired case appearance was ignored (it is not), the extraction effort would tell another story.
This is a perfectly safe load....in this rifle, despite the elevated velocity it offers. Believe me, if I even suspected it was stretching the envelope pressure-wise, using the Hornet case, I'd be the first one to weenie out and drop back......a good ways. Sorry this thread got so sidetracked, even over to the 17AH from the original question on the 22 Hornet for song dogs.
My Ruger No.3 in 17AH started it's barrel life with WS2 coated bullets, so the loads were worked up accordingly. It has never seen a naked bullet its entire life (PG Rated?). The same goes for my Sako-Shilen barreled 17M4.
I realize the photo does not show the fired primer condition, but this is the pet load for the Ruger No.3 mentioned and pictured with its 22" barrel a page back. As you can see, all appears well. The clean-up neck turning needed for this rifle can be seen also. Loaded round to neck clearance ID: .002"
Even though the velocity registers right at 3810 fps with the 20gr bullet, the load shows absolutely NO signs of pressure, not one bit. The extractor on these rifles has no where near the extraction ability of a good bolt gun, and even if the fired case appearance was ignored (it is not), the extraction effort would tell another story.
This is a perfectly safe load....in this rifle, despite the elevated velocity it offers. Believe me, if I even suspected it was stretching the envelope pressure-wise, using the Hornet case, I'd be the first one to weenie out and drop back......a good ways. Sorry this thread got so sidetracked, even over to the 17AH from the original question on the 22 Hornet for song dogs.
Sidetracked or Hi-jacked whatever
After we got done calling each other names , maybe we all learned something. I know to Fuzz, I will always be known as "Show Me Thomas" from now on. But at least he will remember me.
After we got done calling each other names
, maybe we all learned something. I know to Fuzz, I will always be known as "Show Me Thomas" from now on. But at least he will remember me. 
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