Shoot, after trying everything that I know and have learned on the board from other folks in the past. I've tried every primer, powder and bullet combo that I can possibly try in a Win. case. The best the gun will shoot, is at best 1 1/2 - 2 in groups. I've had it beded in 2 different stocks, have had the barrel re-crowned, but still no difference in the size of groups (more like patterns). The one last thing I'm thinking of trying, is Tubb's Final Finish. At this point, the only thing I have to loose is a barrel that won't shoot. The gun in question is a Rem. 700 ADL. If Tubb's Final Finish doesn't work, it time to re-barrel it.