Modern 426 Hemi Dodge "SUPER CHARGER"

Kermit in Va.

· #2 · Nov 21, 2018

Nice...
What color are you getting...lol

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Doug Roberts

· #3 · Nov 21, 2018

Sweet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGkSAxhvj8w

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John Kruzan

· #4 · Nov 21, 2018

I want one

Randy, I'd have to sell all my Kimbers just to buy the wheels. I'm not a new car fan but that's about the neatest one I've ever seen. John Kruzan

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JRinKY

· #5 · Nov 21, 2018

Cool ain't it

DASHER DOME said:
https://youtu.be/FqQlFVaqBxA

Thanks JR Carter

I Knew you would like that thing soon as I found the video.
I sure would like to have it....

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Onehole

· #6 · Nov 21, 2018

But Why?

A classic case of something that you don't need but really want. Sorta like buying a new rifle.

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ShaneG.

· #7 · Nov 21, 2018

That's the engine my 66 Coronet needs in it.

I'd hate to see the price for that package......way more than my old car would ever be worth I'm sure.

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Well, now to rain on the parade. It's not a Hemi at all. It is 426 cubic Inches. It's also an extremely dirty engine which means you'll never see it on the street in the Charger or any new emissions compliant car. The engine is available with transmission and harness for hot rodders but it can only be installed in a 1964 or older titled vehicle. The numbers I heard were just north of 50 grand. The engine is not a continuation of the 6.1 "Hemi" but it's also not a clean sheet engine either. Production will be extremely limited. Frankly, I don't see the "wow" factor here. Kinda like the Hellcat that is constantly getting it's doors blown off even by the lowly Ford F150 3.5 EcoBoost. There more to a fast car than just throwing horsepower around. If you can't put it on the ground, it's worthless. Unfortunately, Fiat had to make a choice between making the Hellcat safe enough for the average dimwit not to kill himself or install the suspension that it should have had. But I do hope that Fiat makes the Charger in some form like the pics. I drove a 69 R/T 440 back in the day. About the only thing it couldn't out run was the gas station. I was running 14.5 pistons and racing fuel. Water pumps were every 2 months, starters were every other month. Jeez, I miss those days.....until I start remembering the major headaches.
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45TAJ

· #9 · Nov 23, 2018

Trapper - the current Motor Trend has the Dodge, urrr, Demon at 848hp, 2.3 / 0-60 run - factory stock. I'd think that quals as getting power to the ground. Are you sure the Heliphant isn't a Hemi? Dart Heads will flow pretty close to a Hemi but the pic's heads look wide to me. Izzit a Keith Black, or Pink or ?? block?
I really don't follow this stuff much anymore so am asking legit questions.

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Paul Workman

· #10 · Nov 27, 2018

45TAJ said:
Trapper - the current Motor Trend has the Dodge, urrr, Demon at 848hp, 2.3 / 0-60 run - factory stock. I'd think that quals as getting power to the ground. Are you sure the Heliphant isn't a Hemi? Dart Heads will flow pretty close to a Hemi but the pic's heads look wide to me. Izzit a Keith Black, or Pink or ?? block?
I really don't follow this stuff much anymore so am asking legit questions.

Not hemispherical; more of a "pent-roof" chamber (shallow "V" w/ spark at the apex between valves.)

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Trapper6L

· #11 · Nov 27, 2018

From the article at Motor Trend:

A caveat: For the timed performances claimed in its press releases, Dodge fitted pizza-cutter front tires, drag racing slicks, ran it at 147 feet above sea level at 8:34 p.m. with a 40-degree ambient temperature on a fully prepared surface, and used 100-octane fuel to allow the 6.2-liter supercharged V-8 to make at least 840 hp and 717 lb-ft or torque. The National Hot Rod Association certified the Demon's quarter mile at 9.650 seconds at 140.09 mph. Dodge additionally claims 1.0 second to 30 mph and 0-60 mph in 2.3 seconds. Huzzah. Whether you consider that a "production-car record" is up to you.

Not sure where you buy 100 octane gas but there isn't any around here....unless you're buying racing fuel. That's what it takes to make the HP. Otherwise, it's isn't 800HP anything. The car is being tested with small tire slicks. That's a 29.5" tall tire and 10.5" wide. I haven't seen many ....make that any factory for street use cars come with small tire slicks. Here in Texas, the tires alone means it cannot be driven on the street, at all. Slicks on the streets here will have yer car on a wrecker headed to the pound where I can assure you, when you get it back it will be an empty hulk. They also used prepped asphalt. That's a chemical bond to the asphalt that makes it like glue. Don't think you'll find any of it on the streets where you live. The biggest issue with the Demon and any like it is putting the HP to the ground. Frankly, on the street and stock, the Demon sucks. It's great for burning up tires but it lacks major go.

Back in the day, starting with the 392 hemi, most folks never understood that a 413 wedge would blow the doors off of the hemi. The 440 wedge I had in my 69 RT would walk away from a 426 hemi GTX. Hemi is just a head design and while it did lend itself to performance, it was not that big of a deal. Frankly, the old "poly" heads of the 50's were a much better design and performance enhancer. I raced a 64 Dodge Polara with a puny 318 with poly heads and I was turning nearly the same times as the super stock class with the big blocks. I could occasionally get into the 10.x times. And my car was my daily driver. Bad thing about memories. If you go back and read some of the articles about the "muscle" cars, some of the current "no big deal" cars AND trucks will blow the doors off of them. My current truck has a 300HP V6 that turns faster times than a 69 Chevelle SS. The 300HP V6 is the smallest they put in the F150 and it's not turbo charged.

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Paul Workman

· #12 · Nov 29, 2018

Trapper6L said:
From the article at Motor Trend:

Not sure where you buy 100 octane gas but there isn't any around here....unless you're buying racing fuel. That's what it takes to make the HP. Otherwise, it's isn't 800HP anything. The car is being tested with small tire slicks. That's a 29.5" tall tire and 10.5" wide. I haven't seen many ....make that any factory for street use cars come with small tire slicks. Here in Texas, the tires alone means it cannot be driven on the street, at all. Slicks on the streets here will have yer car on a wrecker headed to the pound where I can assure you, when you get it back it will be an empty hulk. They also used prepped asphalt. That's a chemical bond to the asphalt that makes it like glue. Don't think you'll find any of it on the streets where you live. The biggest issue with the Demon and any like it is putting the HP to the ground. Frankly, on the street and stock, the Demon sucks. It's great for burning up tires but it lacks major go.

Back in the day, starting with the 392 hemi, most folks never understood that a 413 wedge would blow the doors off of the hemi. The 440 wedge I had in my 69 RT would walk away from a 426 hemi GTX. Hemi is just a head design and while it did lend itself to performance, it was not that big of a deal. Frankly, the old "poly" heads of the 50's were a much better design and performance enhancer. I raced a 64 Dodge Polara with a puny 318 with poly heads and I was turning nearly the same times as the super stock class with the big blocks. I could occasionally get into the 10.x times. And my car was my daily driver. Bad thing about memories. If you go back and read some of the articles about the "muscle" cars, some of the current "no big deal" cars AND trucks will blow the doors off of them. My current truck has a 300HP V6 that turns faster times than a 69 Chevelle SS. The 300HP V6 is the smallest they put in the F150 and it's not turbo charged.

In 1969 the were still using GROSS HP vs. NET HP ratings. The SS 396 options were 325 or 375 GROSS hp in the Chevelle, IIRC (I had a 325 version).

Even with 4.11s in the rear, it was never that impressive - I didn't think. Back in those days a car that ran in the 14s was quick. 14s is nothing today!

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Doug Roberts

· #13 · Nov 29, 2018 (Edited)

Head design

I've always believed the hemispherical combustion chamber was intended to allow larger valves and the central location of the spark plug. Wouldn't the "pent roof" design accomplish the same thing? Seems it would also dictate a valve stem angle very similar to the old "hemi". Thus the wide valve covers and deep spark plug wells.

Another big deal today is tires. I was allowed to take a new Plymouth 426 wedge 4 speed on a test drive by myself (try that today at age 18) in 1964. It couldn't take half throttle in any of the first 3 gears without spinning the tires. They are still selling cars that will burn up a set of tires in no time but they will launch like a rocket if you're careful. Heck, my 2015 2.7 liter Ecoboost F150 is amazingly quick. They now call that engine 325 HP and 400 lb/ft of torque. I also call it 22-23 MPG in mixed driving.

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T.D.C.

· #14 · Nov 30, 2018

I haven't been able to fins any numbers on the new Escape Platinum I just got. The Ecoboost lists 225 HP and absolutely blows the doors off my old 05 Explorer 4.6 V8. I don't know if it is the transmission, engine or the combo but it is great for traffic merging and playing at redlights.

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Doug Roberts

· #15 · Nov 30, 2018

Ecoboost

T.D.C. said:
I haven't been able to fins any numbers on the new Escape Platinum I just got. The Ecoboost lists 225 HP and absolutely blows the doors off my old 05 Explorer 4.6 V8. I don't know if it is the transmission, engine or the combo but it is great for traffic merging and playing at redlights.

What amazes me is today's turbo engines with zero turbo-lag. The last turbo charged engine I owned was Ford's 2.3 liter 4 cylinder in a Merkur XR4Ti. It was a slug until it built some boost around 3500 RPM then it was OK. The Ecoboost engine in my truck pulls hard right off the bottom. Guys who choose a normally aspirated V8 because that's what they're familiar with are missing the boat in performance and fuel mileage. Putting my transmission in Sport mode makes me

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ShaneG.

· #16 · Nov 30, 2018 (Edited)

Turbos make engines so much more rowdy!

When I took my 1915cc Vw aircooled engine and stuck it in a little manx buggy it was ok but when I turbo'd it with 7lbs of boost I thought hot damn....then I got brave and cheated the wastegate for about 15lbs and it went to holy shit! I took the engine and put it in my 69 bug and went to a 4bbl and 30lbs. of boost and it was really nice then.
This vid was still a 2bbl carb and first time I put slicks on it...caught me off guard a little. I was the black car in the right lane. Best pass was a [email protected] in the 1/4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFt6S99FWIo

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Dave H

· #17 · Nov 30, 2018

Shane, a reason never chased black bugs - didn't want to get the doors welded shut on a Mopar cruiser.

Thanks for sharing.

Best.

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Trapper6L

· #18 · Nov 30, 2018

The wife bought an Escape Titanium back in September. Hers has the tri-white paint job and all options except a hole in the roof. On such a highly optioned car it was hard to find one with no moonroof. She loves the thing especially the heated seats and the electric heat. She can auto start the car from the kitchen and by the time she gets to the car it's nice and toasty. Far too much electronic crapola for me but the Escape is loaded with content. You get a lot of car for the dollar. The 2.0 Ecoboost puts out 245 HP. Drag times for the all wheel drive version is 14.9 seconds at 91 mph. Not bad for a 4 banger. Too bad the Escape is only going to be made thru YM 2020. Then it goes away.

Lots of oldie engines that made tremendous power. There was the GM Mystery motor. Better known as a semi-hemi, it made over 800HP out of the factory. Then you had the Ford 427 dual overhead cams hemi that made over 1000HP but not many ever got out of the factory. The pic below is a mystery motor in a one of five Chevy II fastback.