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They were here first

from the Billings Gazette.....an article about big game 'hunting' by Indians just north of Yellowstone Park....no permits,no bag limits,no seasons...
http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2007/01/27/news/state/65-waste.txt
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and are the most discriminated against! We took their land and sent them to other states (reservations) were not allowed to speak their own language etc.
On the other hand blacks have their on private colleges,special holidays M.L.
Day! Illegal Immigrants spend our social security, free medical, commit crimes found guilty and only get deported. Deal with it!
 

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You OBVIOUSLY have never lived near a reservation...I look out my window right now and see the Northern Cheyenne Reservation.I can speak from my experience and my personal observations.
You know,before i moved to Montana i wondered why everyone hated Indians....didn't take me long to figure it out.If the reservations are so bad and the Indians are so mistreated there why don't they LEAVE??NOTHING says they have to stay on the "rez".
Don't give me the B.S. about "stealing their land"....they lost their land because they weren't strong enough to hold on to it.SImple as that...and that my friend is true throughout history.Right or wrong that's the way it IS.The strong subjugate the weak.
I am not saying the treatment of the Indians was RIGHT..no more than slavery was RIGHT..I can tell you i had no hand in either one but i sure as hell pay for both and so do you....my grandparents were sharecroppers and just as poor as most blacks of the same era...don't try to make me feel guilty 'cause i ain't!
If the REZ (as the Indians call it) is such a bad thing why don't the Indians try to get them ABOLISHED? You have NEVER heard any Indian call for the abolishment of the reservation system.... think about it.
Oh,by the way,lest i get the 'racist' label,consider this...my wife is 3/8 Indian..Cherokee and Choctaw from Oklahoma (yes,I'm quite familiar with the Trail of Tears)
 

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I'll throw in with Dana on this one. I grew up on a reservation. The best thing that could happen to any Indian tribe would be to abolish the reservation system and break the cycle of dependency they have on the government. No incentive to leave, the government makes it too easy to keep on going as it is. The tribe wants the best of both worlds, to be their own independent nation, but with all the breaks and benefits given to them. Most of the Indians I grew up with, (and family is married into) hate the reservation system and all it stands for. Russ
 

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Well, maybe my Liberal Arts education causes me to read things differently then others, but no where in the article does it say that there are No Permits, No Bag Limits, or No Seasons.

It just says that the Nez Pierce have their own regulations governing the hunts as per the 1855 treaty. And they did send a letter to the FWP stating the numbers of animals to be killed. Granted they left the number of Bison sorta open ended, but it still establishes a 'Bag Limit' for the tribe.

Not knowing what nature of Tribal Police is used by the Nez Pierce, I cannot comment on enforcement. If they were dealing with the Lighthorse as we have in these neck of the woods, then you can bet it would be strictly enforced.

Oh... Dana.. if your wife is on the Rolls of the Cherokees, make sure she votes in the up coming special tribal election. The one which if the articles pass, will set the stage to purify the rolls of the Cherokees, Shawnee and Delaware. Which would eventually take her and myself off the rolls, altho it would leave my wife and maybe my children on them.

Culture is a terrible thing to destroy. It can never be regained without much turmoil.
 

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Mortis:

My wife is not enrolled...never has been.One of her sisters investigated that years ago and the paper trail simply wasn't clear enough...and her great-grandpa was given--or took-- the white name of 'Jackson'..which was pretty common and that made it even harder to track.
On the Cheyenne res there are no seasons,no bag limits and no regulations....that's what i've been told by several Cheyenne Indians who live on the rez.The 'hunts' talked about in the Gazette article are on "traditional hunting grounds" and that comes under another treaty.As i understand it the Indians simply tell FWP they are going to kill X-number of animals at a certain location.Easy as that....

There are ongoing efforts--most taxpayer funded-- to save the culture and traditions and especially the language of the Cheyenne and Crow peoples.The younger people,generally, have little interest in it. I agree it's a shame the culture is dying...it's a part of OUR heritage and our history as a nation.....we are no different than any other country in that some parts of our history are not so pleasant and not very pretty....shameful,in fact..but it's way past time to move on..."get over it" works both ways!!
 

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I was not born racist

I circled the wagons 26 years ago. When I got here the res was on the east side of the Elwha River, and a handfull of working, productive indians lived west of me a mile. Since they decided they needed more land, to build homes for all the blond and red headed indians, there`s now a few hundred on the west side and I`m surrounded.
I watched as the Fed built new brick faced 2 story homes for them
I watched as the natives ripped the stair rails and cabinet doors off to burn for firewood.
I watched them net the rivers to near extinction because the fed let them.
I watched the elk and deer herds dwindle to such low numbers that the big cats started in on housecats, dogs and kids, while the natives sold the meat.
I watched the fed build a huge new clinic for them to have medical and dental care,"Pay when you can" style. Then they ask 'what do YOU want' if a non-native walks in.
I watched as the natives cried "Let us build casinos" so they would be financially independant from the fed. We still pay just like always, but now their yards have 7 dead new cars instead of old cars.
I watched as Port Angeles was awarded the bid to build a graving yard (a hole in the beach with a door, sort of like a drydock) for the construction of giant cement floating bridge sections for the new Hood Canal bridge. This was a huge financial plus for our area.

Then I watched as the natives waited 1 year into the project to start screaming that their ancestors are buried there (they are buried EVERYWHERE you dig, I know because I`m in the excavation business). The state had to pay the contractor nearly 100 million for a job they didn`t do. Now, the state gave the indians the land and they are planning a casino on the same spot.........I suppose it won`t offend the spirits of their ancestors to have a cement casino parked on top of them.

The motto around here used to be 3s, (shoot shovel and shutup) now it`s 2S.
Shovel and shutup. When you dig and find something, you mash it to dust and cover it up or YOU WILL NOT EVER FINISH THE PROJECT.

Well, my great great great grandfather may have been mean to the indians, but the ones that survived it sure did learn the lesson well, for they are now doing it to us, in spades.

Seems strange to be scalped and robbed by a red headed indian...........
I`m gonna just keep watching so I stay politically correct.........
 

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It's turning political.....but

I want to get my kick in. I also am part Indian (Cherokee). One of my great-great grandmothers was full blood. And, I live in Oklahoma. I have to kick in with Dana and Bear here. Seen it "too many" times. Government kicks in for everything they could ever want, and then they want more. Government pays for food, lodging, health care, and booze. Then came the casinos to make them independent from govt. care since they now have "lots" of money....BS. Name me one country that isn't where it is today by whipping someone elses a$$ to get there. It's just life...get over it. Maybe our ancestors would have "done it right" if they had some liberal reporters riding along in the wagons.:D :D :D
 

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My wife is not enrolled...never has been.One of her sisters investigated that years ago and the paper trail simply wasn't clear enough...and her great-grandpa was given--or took-- the white name of 'Jackson'..which was pretty common and that made it even harder to track.
On the Cheyenne res there are no seasons,no bag limits and no regulations....that's what i've been told by several Cheyenne Indians who live on the rez.The 'hunts' talked about in the Gazette article are on "traditional hunting grounds" and that comes under another treaty.As i understand it the Indians simply tell FWP they are going to kill X-number of animals at a certain location.Easy as that....

There are ongoing efforts--most taxpayer funded-- to save the culture and traditions and especially the language of the Cheyenne and Crow peoples.The younger people,generally, have little interest in it. I agree it's a shame the culture is dying...it's a part of OUR heritage and our history as a nation.....we are no different than any other country in that some parts of our history are not so pleasant and not very pretty....shameful,in fact..but it's way past time to move on..."get over it" works both ways!!
Boy it didn't take long for you to get your flame suit on! My Great gramma
was a full blooded native american also! Point being they are no differant than the other minoritys! Yes you are right that it applys to me too!
There are no perfect places in this world including the USA. We live one day at time: Right?
 

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I ain't got no dog in this fight. I come from a long line of "love the one your with" types(not me of course, been with the same wonderful woman for over 25 years). We are Scottish Irish German some type of indigenous people<read Indians) and who knows what else. But I have to say that the number one recipient of welfare government funding food stamps unemployment aid to dependent children and so on is caucasians whites Anglos or whatever the term is for the race that does not have a minority title. The information is there just go find it at one of the gov.org sites. I always felt one should clean their own house before concerning themselves with their neighbors house.
 

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The federal government grant millions of taxpayer dollars to tribes so they can develop and implement programs for the benefit of wildlife on their land.

http://www.fws.gov/grants/tribal.html

It would not surprise me if welfare demographics showed the largest portion of dollars are received by whites, since whites constitute 74.% or 215 million of the US population, and Native American Indians make up only 0.8%, or 2.4 million. But it is the % of each group that you may find interesting.

In Chicago, which may give us a typical view of food stamp, WIC, or rent assistance recipient demographics in a major eastern U.S. city, the numbers look like this.

Black = 80%
White= 10%
Hispanic, Asian, Indian and other = 10%

I am only pointing out data that I found , and not being critical of any one group. However, it IS interesting that our government lists them by race, and gives certain priveliges, based (apparently) solely on race.

And of course the Sierra Club, PETA, and other liberal psuedo-enviro-wildlife saviours are 100% silent when the so-called violator in question are a minority. Therefore, I will add "Racist" to those groups resume.
 

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no permits,no bag limits,no seasons

Unfortunately just a legal binding treaty!!!! All treaties should have had an expiration date but unfortunately very few did and we are now paying the price.
The past is full of good intentions and corruption,Indian affairs is no different.About the best the government will do at this point is trade out the hunting rights for something else the tribe wants but even that will not happen till the lawyers and politicians have lined their pockets!
Right or wrong has nothing to do with it,its alway ben about money and power!
 
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