Hey Glenn. I saw those and it just seems like there are no adjustable sights. Might as well shoot a 2' snubby that, IMO. I do have a S&W M18 with adjustable sights and like it okay, but I agree, a 4" is tough to use anymore, even with decent sights. There are too many okay semi-autos to not get a semi-auto. But then, I don't shoot cowboy stuff either.