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I have used a couple of the higher end Vortex scopes with good results, on a .20 VarTarg and a.222.

I have been using these guys for my optics the last couple of years. Competitive prices and excellent service. Have look at their website. Give them a call, tell them what your looking for.

https://www.sportoptics.com
 

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Probably been before the year 2000 that I bought a "new" scope. I buy strictly refurbished scopes. The reason is simple. The new scope is made and thrown in a box. YOU are the quality control. A refurbished scope is one that has had a scope specialist go thru it and has tested the unit. There's still a warranty if anything goes wrong. Here's one from Natchez. Natchez is where I go to buy optics that are refurbished. I've yet to have any issues with any scope that I've bought from them. Give this one a look. It's a Burris 4.5-14 variable and under $250.00. It also comes with the ballistic reticle and adjustable objective.
https://www.natchezss.com/burris-mt...mm-ballistic-milling-reticle-black-matte.html
 

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Probably been before the year 2000 that I bought a "new" scope. I buy strictly refurbished scopes. The reason is simple. The new scope is made and thrown in a box. YOU are the quality control. A refurbished scope is one that has had a scope specialist go thru it and has tested the unit. There's still a warranty if anything goes wrong. Here's one from Natchez. Natchez is where I go to buy optics that are refurbished. I've yet to have any issues with any scope that I've bought from them. Give this one a look. It's a Burris 4.5-14 variable and under $250.00. It also comes with the ballistic reticle and adjustable objective.
https://wwhttp://17hmr.net/index.ph...mm-ballistic-milling-reticle-black-matte.html
Your post is quite ironic as earlier this year, I got a email notification from Natchez about a big Burris sale. Ordered a couple of refurb Fullfield E1 4.5-14x42mm with Ballistic Plex E1 Reticles for new T/C Compass .308 rifles my brother and I bought. Received the scopes and on one, the variable power adjustment ring was frozen tighter than Hillary's dentures - the other one had noticeable scratches in the black finish and the coatings on both the eyepiece and the ocular lens were damaged. Natchez was great on the return - issued me a complete refund including original shipping to me. Needless to say, I'm loathe to buy a refurb again.
 

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If I were to buy a new scope for coyotes and if I were to plan on low light and or night hunting, I would go with a Vortex Hog Hunter series. Can't remember if it was 3-12 or 4-12x56 that I looked at??? 30mm main tube is very robust and it has a very fine lighted dot reticle. Just the center dot lights up. I have a cheaper Mueller wit a reticle like this and I absolutely love it, although the glass is inferior.
 

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So, I decided to pass on the Vortex because it was SFP. I was looking at the Burris Veracity 3-15X50 FFP and it seemed to get pretty good reviews and the Reticle looks good, to me at least. Then I saw Burris is running a promotion where you buy the Veracity and you also get a Fullfield E1 4.5-14x42mm SFP scope with the long range MOA reticle for free. Price was $557 shipped for the two - I figure if I don't want to keep the E1, I should be able to get at least $200 or so for it.

https://www.burrisoptics.com/scopes/veracity-riflescopes-series/veracity-riflescope-3-15x50mm

https://www.burrisoptics.com/promotions

http://www.huntdaily.com/finally-a-long-range-hunting-scope-without-the-long-range-hassle/
 

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Nikon Monarch (V) "ED", Sightron, Weaver (GS) = my favorites in that price range. But, Rick Fox's words (my signature "quotes") ring so true in my ears!
 

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Nikon Monarch (V) "ED", Sightron, Weaver (GS) = my favorites in that price range. But, Rick Fox's words (my signature "quotes") ring so true in my ears!
Are you the resident Glass Snob? :D

So, I received my Burris Veracity 3-15X50 FFP and the included Fullfield E1 4.5-14x42mm SFP scope. Both have nice clear glass and I think the reticle on the Veracity will work well for Varmints. Might try the Fullfield E1 on my Savage 93R 17HMR but have a scope on it that I'm happy with so will probably just price for a quick sale and let it go.
 

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Are you the resident Glass Snob? :D

So, I received my Burris Veracity 3-15X50 FFP and the included Fullfield E1 4.5-14x42mm SFP scope. Both have nice clear glass and I think the reticle on the Veracity will work well for Varmints. Might try the Fullfield E1 on my Savage 93R 17HMR but have a scope on it that I'm happy with so will probably just price for a quick sale and let it go.

What scope do you have on you 93R 17HMR? I just acquired one and been considering what would be a good scope. This is my 1st "17". TIA
 

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What scope do you have on you 93R 17HMR? I just acquired one and been considering what would be a good scope. This is my 1st "17". TIA
First off, what will you be shooting, paper or critters and second, what is your budget?

Oh, Horror of Horrors - I have a BSA on mine. It's a FFP 4-14x44 with a MRAD Reticle that MidwayUSA was closing out in August 2017. I found out about it on the
forum when I was looking for a scope for my .25 Benjamin Marauder PCP air rifle. The members there spoke very highly of the scope so I took a chance and bought one for $120. Was so impressed once I received it, I ordered another to put on the 93R17 that I hadn't even ordered yet. Both scopes have amazingly-clear glass, nice crisp turret adjustments, side focus, and I love the reticle for only $120.
 

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Paper, squirrels and pdogs, not always in that order. Do you have a model # handy for the scope?
 

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Paper, squirrels and pdogs, not always in that order. Do you have a model # handy for the scope?
Model #TMD414X44/30. Keep in mind, the scope is discontinued/no longer in production but similar scopes with a slightly different reticle are out there made by companies other than BSA. These are probably knock-offs that are lesser quality. I did find what looks to be a authentic BSA on eBay - I looked at the box mine came in and it's identical. https://www.ebay.com/itm/BSA-TMD-4-...h=item3d7906a2f5:g:8FQAAOSwsRVb1gFO:rk:1:pf:0
 

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Thanks for the info.

Is a 14 power a good match for the effective range of the 17HMR?
 

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Thanks for the info.

Is a 14 power a good match for the effective range of the 17HMR?
I'm no expert but would think so. Effective range of the 17HMR seems to depend on the loading being used and the critter being targeted. I've read about shooters making kills on groundhogs out to around 300yds but 200yds or so is about the max I'd try myself as I prefer instant kills to wounding things.

Here's some info on different opinions of the effective range of 17HMR.

https://www.chuckhawks.com/17HMR.htm
http://17hmr.net/index.php?topic=5237.0
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251263
https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/longest-17hmr-kill.98096/
 

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I'm no expert but would think so. Effective range of the 17HMR seems to depend on the loading being used and the critter being targeted. I've read about shooters making kills on groundhogs out to around 300yds but 200yds or so is about the max I'd try myself as I prefer instant kills to wounding things....
Kill instantly - not merely wound. Absolutely!
 

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Are you the resident Glass Snob? :D

So, I received my Burris Veracity 3-15X50 FFP and the included Fullfield E1 4.5-14x42mm SFP scope. Both have nice clear glass and I think the reticle on the Veracity will work well for Varmints. Might try the Fullfield E1 on my Savage 93R 17HMR but have a scope on it that I'm happy with so will probably just price for a quick sale and let it go.
Well, if I am, it is well earned! I've wasted A LOT of $$ getting to where I can feel comfortable when buying a particular scope; one I can feel confident it will be devoid the usual family of mechanical and optical short-comings!

Geeze... Must be over a hundred different scope makers nowadayz! And, that's not all. Many brands have been acquired by more than one different companies over time. So, a scope that was crap may now be good and visa - versa. 'Bout the only way to be assured is by someone (we) trust that is willing to personally endorse a particular scope, or one with a stellar reputation that is still produced by the original maker.

And, and lastly, good scopes cost $$, true. But, $$ is not necessarily a pure measure of a scope, i.e., brand name often carries a price tag more to do with brand recognition than can be justified by equal measure of physical or optical attributes. (That is my definition of "scope snobbery". Ya see that (snobbery) a lot in car clubs too, I can tell ya!)

I recall one of my brothers - a avid shooter - had a $700+ Leupold Vari-X III on a $150 Handy Rifle (inexpensive break-open single shot). $$ had nothing much to do with scope selection. The danged gun shot 5-shot groups under 1/2 MOA center-center, and for shooting crows and starlings to and past 200 yards (223 caliber), "The gun needs it!" he says.

Whatever works 4 U, WORKS! Some may call any scope over $200 "snobbery" (present company excluded), but after 60 years of shooting I too independently arrived at our favorite old sage's quotable quote: "No part of shooting is more expensive than cheap glass." A-MEN!

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