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Remington Golden Bullets before...




and after running them through the Waltz die...





Initial bullet diameter is just over .223 with small hollow point. Waltz die increased bullet diameter to .225 and expanded the hollow point, making them more accurate and effective. Can also make hollow points or flatpoints (Eley Eps) out of target ammo, making it suitable for hunting.
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George Foster
Where can you find the die and what is the cost of it?
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jimp
cost is around $160
Here is his info:
Neal Waltz, 4105 Hyatt Avenue N.W., Massillon OH 44646-1435 Telephone: 330-837-4818

call him for quicker response and see if he has any in stock/on the shelf.

I've got one as well, and a buddy does. They work, make cheaper RF ammo more accurate, for squirrels, and such. I've used it to improve Norma TAC ammo into some consistent ammo good enough for ground squirrels at 50 yds or so. Killing power of the ammo is a bit low, but accurate.
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45tajjat45
El C. I am glad you are getting good results. Just a word of caution, the Yin n Yang of it: l've read more than a couple of reasonably tested reports over the years and the results were very mixed. Very.
If you were selling El C., l wouldn't be saying a word.
Just a reporting of other experiences. As to an increase of smack down power, l have no recollection of opinions. Converting Eley into a more efficient killing round, that could be a plus. :)
OBTW George maybe a Want to Buy ad over on Saubier might save you a few shekels.
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El cheapo
Just sharing my experiences. Waltz die isn't cheap but it does what it's supposed to. Makes accurate round nosed ammo into hollowpoint or flatpoint for better hunting effectiveness. Maker makes no claims about increased accuracy but swaging bullets to .225 has resulted in better accuracy for me with cheap ammo.
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George Foster
Thanks Tom.
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J
I hope I am wrong, but I think Neal passed away a while back.
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El cheapo
JSH said:
I hope I am wrong, but I think Neal passed away a while back.
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I hope so too. Could always call and find out.
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CCI SV round hollowpointed with Waltz die and shot into water jugs at 25 yards. Expanded to .35 caliber and penetrated to the third jug...
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45tajjat45
E. C. I have a LOT of CCI std vel. Have you done any definitive ''before n after" group size work? Results?
Change of drop from 35yds to 75 yds bc of aerodynamics? ?
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El cheapo
I didn't really come at it from that angle because I'm not a target shooter. I just wanted to take ammunition that was consistent (none of that POW, POW, piff, POW piff stuff) and turn it into ammo that would be effective for hunting. I can tell you CCI SV shoots well in both of my hunting guns before running it through the die. My 10-22 and my BCA 22lr upper both shoot the stuff into a half inch at 50 yards with just basic hunting scopes. After running the ammo through the die it seems to shoot the same or maybe a hair better, but I never took the time to use a high power AO target scope and really see what it would do. Not only that but my triggers are hunting triggers, not target triggers. I would think that making all the ammo a uniform diameter of .225 should help accuracy, but it would take a more talented shooter with better equipment than I have to really find that out. Again, Neal Waltz makes no accuracy claims for the die.

I CAN tell you that in my experience with cheap bulk ammo I did see a significant increase in accuracy when using the die. Bullet diameters on the cheap stuff can be all over the place, and when you make them all .225 it helps. I have a couple old boxes of Remington Golden Bullets and at 50 yards with my 10-22 they were giving me groups of 1.25 to 1.5 inches for 5 shots. Not good enough for squirrel hunting. After running them through the die group sizes dropped to 3/4 inch, and some were a half inch. So for me it elevated the Golden Bullets from plinking ammo to hunting ammo.

Final note: I have shot a few of the altered bullets at longer ranges and there was no difference in trajectory that I could see. Hope that helps!
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45tajjat45
Very good and well posited.
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El cheapo
I know this is an old thread, but just wanted to post an update. I used CCI SV rounds hollow pointed with the Waltz die on my recent hunting trip to take beavers, raccoons, opossums, rats, mice, voles and armadillos. Unfortunately no coyotes. The hollow points were accurate and did a great job on everything I shot with them, and the standard velocity rounds were nice and quiet through my suppressor. We really put a hurting on the raccoons, which were climbing on and damaging my buddy's feeders.

Also, I just got a Taurus TX 22 compact to use as a suppressor host. I'm in the process of wringing it out with different kinds of ammo to find what it likes. Velocity is low enough with a pistol that hollow points will not expand, so flat points are the way to go. I made some last night with CCI Blazer 40 grain ammo and the gun fed and fired it with no issues. It's quiet too! Should be a nice kit gun to take along hiking, fishing, etc.
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Another reason to like the Waltz die. I hollow pointed an Aguila Super Extra 40 grain roundnose and shot it into gallon water jugs at 7 yards. Gun was my Taurus TX 22 Compact with a 3.6 inch barrel. The bullet expanded to .375 caliber and penetrated to the third jug! Retained weight of the pieces was 39.5 grains. I think I found my ammo for this gun!
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