[PatR]

The is a gent

here in New Mexico that is an amazing shooter. The guy can put a bullet right where he wants it every time and I have seen him kill a good number of coyotes with a .22 Mag. Shooting sub calibers means you have to put the bullet in the right spot, your margin for error is small. I have introduced many new hunters to calling and find for the better part they tend to gut shoot alot of coyotes for the first year or so, I had one young man who has become a fine caller that gut shot no less than ten, but I cured him of that. So a 22 hornet is not a good choice, 22-250 is gonna do the job.
A hornet in the hands of an experienced hunter is a killer for sure. I shoot a .221 Fireball 95% of the time and my shot placement is just about always right on the money. If a fella can keep his nerve and put the bullet in the sweet spot he can do well with a Hornet. If he is not always so calm and gets Dog Fever a larger caliber such as the .223 and up is for sure the way to go. Or maybe he just ain't that great of a shot, it is really about skill in calling and shooting both. I built my Brother in Law a Neisika in .243 because he has some physical set backs when it comes to shooting and the extra punch has served him well on misplaced shots, those 68 grain Eubers are a coyotes worst enemy .
I would say that the caliber should be chosen to fit the skill level of the hunter, if you are not a skilled shooter a Hornet is going to disappoint you on marginal shots.

On another note how is PH doing these days Fuzz ?

 

[VaBoy]

So who wrote this old rule of thumb? With all the reading I've done I never read it. I've also watched a lot of coyote videos and been to lots of seminars and even killed a few and not once did I ever hear or see anyone recomend or use a Hornet for hunting coyotes. Did someone on this board say they've killed 100's? They sure did and I would never doubt them. Did someone say it was a good gun? They sure did. That doesn't make it fact. So Jim in Idaho, I'm not sure why you decided that I was the one to attack just because I did'nt agree with others.

Theres alway got to be one.

THANKS FUZZ FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

 

[Jim in Idaho]

Well, in this instance he hasn't demonstrated it to me. He has, without giving his reasons, refuted the opinions of several skilled coyote-callers. By doing so, he has belittled their opinions, which are based on years of experience with the cartridge on coyotes. What he said, in effect, was that even though the .22 Hornet can kill a coyote, it's not a good choice. I say "Baloney!"

 

[Jim in Idaho]

That "rule" has been around since I started coyoting almost 33 years ago. I haven't read it recently, but read it several times in literature that was around in the old days. The rule was derived from seeing the results of using many different cartridges on coyotes. If you look at most cartridges today, and the recommended ranges at which they are lethal on coyotes, you will see the rule is still valid. You can talk all you want, but I still haven't seen an explanation for your opinion, nor have you stated your coyote- hunting experience so the OP can decide if he wants to value your opinion. And, I am not "picking" on you. I tend to cry "Bulls--t" whenever I see somebody giving answers to questions when I feel the answer is without merit. One of the reasons you don't see the Hornet recommended more often is that we have such a huge choice for cartridges. Are there better choices than the Hornet...you bet. Will a larger cartridge kill the coyotes any deader at 150 yards than the Hornet....absolutely not. The OP asked about the Hornet on coyotes, and he asked about the Ruger Hornet as a rifle. The people with experience with that rifle gave their opinions. The people with experience with the cartridge on coyotes gave their opinion. Which category do you fit in?

 

[Jim in Idaho]

IMHO...a lot of cartridges will disappoint you with poorly placed shots.....LOL. As will using the wrong bullets. I mistakenly used too tougha bullets in my .222, and it cost me 9 lost well-hit coyotes in one week. They died, but were able to run off, and in dry conditions, were lost. Cartridges are great, but it's the bullet that delivers the energy...or not.

 

[chickenhawk]

i have an old single shot 22 hornet. only thing i killed with it was a large tom cat.it would work good on coyotes for sure.i would go with the 221fb though prob be a little more acccurate at longer ranges.the prices on factory hornet ammo is around fifty dollers a box so if you go with that i hope you reload..hope this helps

 

[Fuzz]

As per Jeff Quinn of Gunblast fame...

...While the little Hornet is not as flat-shooting as those two (the .223 and .22-250), it is a dandy little varmint cartridge out to 250 yards or so on medium-sized vermin.

I don't know this writer, yet I am Thomas! This is too far for me... I believe in Humane one shot kills!

How much "Gas" does this have at this distance? Anyone know??

 

[Sonny Pruitt]

Opinions

MAN! I'm glad it is a free country. I will believe about anything. We got one guy shooting and killing coyotes(alot) at 300 yards with a 22 Hornet, and another guy killing deer with a whisky bottle(the caliber of that bottle is in question though).

I am from Missouri originally, you know the "Show Me State". I gotta see it. I am to old to drink that much whisky in order to find out, so I will just believe Mike to start with. I've done some pretty outrageous things in my time too. But most of them I refuse to talk about. If they wanna tell it, let em tell. I won't question them.

But you have to go back to PH-Pete Hauer's philosphy. "Careful how much truth you tell, or your credibility will be in question." Now I am not questioning anybody's credibility here. Just voicing another opinion.

 

[Fuzz]

Hey we got a "Show-me" & a THOMAS...so

All you Looooooooooooong distance Coyote Killers w/ a Hornet, lets see some Kills and MEASURED distances! Yepper, Lets see 'em! Looking back thru my Varmint Hunters Magazines I don't see any 500 Yarders w/ a Hornet , and in membersPix, why don't you go and show me some 200 yard Coyotes ! Please ! I BE A DOUBTING "Thomas" (Fuzz)

 

[Jim in Idaho]

I guess I missed that.....did somebody say they shot and killed coyotes at 500 yards,with a .22 Hornet? Put me down as a doubting Thomas, too. I've never even shot at a coyote at that range, with anything.....I've got too much respect for them, and there's too much chance of hitting them in the leg, etc., and leaving a cripple.

 

[Fuzz]

Hornet-Hornet-Hornet-Hornet-Hornet-Damn it Man!

As luck(Fate) would have it, while perusing @ my local vendor I saw in the very first row a Savage Model 40 .22 Hornet Varmint Hunter Rifle, thumbhole laminated stock and accutriger, etc. and the shop owner was willing to accept my offerings in trade! Oh Boy!Oh Joy! I cannot wait to get to the range to sight this puppy in! I have some scope options and grouping will help decide the Max Magnigication for the optics... What is so neat is I have a Lyman 310 tool (Nut Cracker) and reloading anywhere is as easy as can be! w/ my preset powder dispenser.

 

[Sonny Pruitt]

Alrighty then!

Go have some fun now Fuzz. Wish I could join you. Envy!!!

 

[Fuzz]

Come on over to the SE VHA Shootoff Millen Ga!

Yes I wish you all would too! 1st Sat in May which is May 3rd @ Hanging Rock Plantation, see Up Coming events. BIG $ Prizes and Something Special from our Supporters, who are VHA & GGVG Sponsers and Members!

 

[Jim in Idaho]

Let's see a pic of the new cannon, Fuzz.

 

[VaBoy]

Well you sure like to hear yourself talk. I've owned a hornet for about as lons as most. around 30 years. Can I speek for how it as work on coyotes for me...No. I can say I've shot enough groundhogs and fox with it to ba as good a judge as any on this board..well with the exception of you for sure. I think if you read my post it says the same as you ssaid about 3 mouth fulls later. THERE ARE BETTER CHOICES!. As for bullet placement I'm sure like your knowledge that you would be a hard man to beat...at least while your behind the keyboard and a couple thousand mile away. Find me a printed pro or video that recomends the hornet for cyotes and I'll drive to Idaho and buy you enough ammo to die without loading anther hornet shell. And if you can't?????? How about you just blow me a ass kiss and I'll forget what a fool you've been. I know, I should'nt wait for my Christmas card from you this year.

 

[Cobra]

Can't you just let it go?

 

[Sonny Pruitt]

I believe he did Cobra, I believe he just did.

 

[Jim in Idaho]

Well you sure like to hear yourself talk. I've owned a hornet for about as lons as most. around 30 years. Can I speek for how it as work on coyotes for me...No. I can say I've shot enough groundhogs and fox with it to ba as good a judge as any on this board..well with the exception of you for sure. I think if you read my post it says the same as you ssaid about 3 mouth fulls later. THERE ARE BETTER CHOICES!. As for bullet placement I'm sure like your knowledge that you would be a hard man to beat...at least while your behind the keyboard and a couple thousand mile away. Find me a printed pro or video that recomends the hornet for cyotes and I'll drive to Idaho and buy you enough ammo to die without loading anther hornet shell. And if you can't?????? How about you just blow me a ass kiss and I'll forget what a fool you've been. I know, I should'nt wait for my Christmas card from you this year.

The guy didn't ask what the best coyote cartridge is. Why answer a question he didn't ask? He specifically asked if the .22 hornet is adequate for coyotes. Why don't you get that? The answer to the question mnhe asked is "YES", assuming you don't shoot them over 150 yards. Very simple...don't need to have abig discussion about it. So, several people with lots of experience shooting coyotes with the .22 Hornet answer that portion of his question with similar answers. But then you come along, with admittedly no experience shooting coyotes with the Hornet, and say "just because it will kill them doesn't make it a good choice"...thus in effect saying these guys that say it's a great little coyote round out to 150 yards don't now what they're talking about. Sheesh... I may like to hear myself talk, but when I talk, at least I have some experience with the subject at hand, unlike you who posts opinions with no experience to support it. So you shot fox and groundhogs with it....so have I. Here's what Ken Waters had to say at the end of his Pet Loads article on the Hornet, and I quote " For me, the Hornet has taken 'chucks out to 200 yards and fox to 165, and that's plenty good enough around settled communities and small farms. Thus, for the man who can recognize and accept it's limitations, the .22 Hornet with today's powders is more than "just as good"...it's better than ever!" You should have learned a long time ago that it's better to be quiet and have people suspect you're stupid then to open your mouth and prove it. Isn't it strange that you are the only person who says the Hornet can't cut it at 150 yards for coyotes? Think about it.

 

[papapaul]

I had a Ruger 77/22 hornet. I traded it for a craftsman 12" lathe.

 

[Charlie g]

22-hornet

This thread sure has sturid up one hornets nest? I guess the only way to settle this is" does someone have a family pet about 35Lbs to use as a prop.Just joking ok.